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The question is: Should the rules be changed to allow small businesses that are majority owned and controlled by large VC organizations to compete with other small businesses for SBIR Funding?
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10/15/03 16:45:41 |
Fred Patterson |
Austin, TX Msg 1 of 99 |
One of the great aspects of the SBIR Program is that
there is a level playing field for the competition for
awards.
This proposed change would give the newly qualifying
companies distinct economic and strategic resource
advantage over the typical applicant, and that's just
not fair.
This change serves the interests of large VC and
Biotech organizations who desire to control a piece of
the SBIR action for which they have heretofore not
qualified.
This proposed change certainly should not be discussed
in a rush, and, in my opinion, should not be
approved.
I plan to say just that to my congressional
representatives in both the House and Senate.
Fred Patterson
The SBIR Coach
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10/15/03 21:37:08 |
Eugene (Gene) Watson |
Laramie, WY Msg 2 of 99 |
Subject: VC Welfare
Dear ZYN:
Thank you for providing this forum for the legitimate
small business community to counter an organized and
well-financed assault on the integrity of the SBA's
long-established size eligibility rules.
This attempt by the VC/BIO community to establish
corporate welfare in its purest form ("VC welfare")
must be defeated. If the VC position prevails,
legitimate small businesses will be crowded out of the
SBIR competition by the large financial organizations
whose huge investments are funneled through VC
entities. How can it be rationalized that
organizations that are otherwise ineligible for SBIR
funding can become eligible simply by making their
investments through the VC conduit? If allowed, what
is there to prevent large organizations from creating
captive VC entities to circumvent the eligibility
rules? The "camels nose under the tent" metaphor comes
to mind.
Pasted in below are excerpts from my recent
communication to cognizant congressional and
administration staff.
"1. Contrary to the impression created (by the VC and
BIO communities), the current SBIR eligibility rules
do not exclude <50% VC-backed (as opposed to VC-owned
and controlled) small businesses. These rules do,
however, properly exclude those businesses that are
majority owned and controlled by entities other than
individuals, VC's included.
2. VC organizations are conduits for the investment of
hundreds of billions of dollars on behalf of large
institutional investors such as pension funds. It is
unfair and unwarranted for small businesses owned by
individuals to have to compete with these huge
financial organizations for limited SBIR funds. SBA
rules governing SBIR eligibility correctly anticipate
and prohibit such an eventuality.
3. BIO's assertion that "...SBIR awards (for their
industry) are even more important because of the
scarcity of capital." is brought into question by
their revelation that VC investments in the
biotechnology and medical device industry totaled $4.7
billion in 2002. This is 3 times the entire 2002 SBIR
budget for R&D in all areas of technology, not just
bio-tech. Their assertion is also called into question
by a September 29 Business Week article stating that
the VC industry currently has a near record $84
billion in uncommitted funds.
4. The SBIR program requires that 10 federal agencies
set aside 2.5% of their annual extramural R&D budgets
to be accessed exclusively by individually owned and
controlled small businesses. VC owned and controlled
businesses are not precluded from accessing the other
97.5% of the extramural R&D funding from those
agencies, 39 times the SBIR funding. This $62+ billion
of federal extra-mural R&D funding is the appropriate
resource for those, including VC owned ventures, who
are not SBIR eligible."
Again, thank you for this opportunity to express my
resolute opposition to this attempt to establish a VC
welfare program. Greed is a terrible thing.
Sincerely,
Eugene (Gene) Watson
307-742-7162
[email protected]
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10/16/03 10:57:58 |
Dr. Chris Busch |
Ronan, MT Msg 3 of 99 |
NO ON SBIR ELIGIBILITY FOR VC OWNED/CONTROLLED
BUSINESSES
This note conveys my strong opposition to allowing
businesses to be eligible for SBIR competition that
are owned or controlled by venture capital (VC)
firms. Based on discussions with my associates, the
vast majority of small businesses and their
representatives agree with me.
Enforcement of the SBA SBIR Policy Directive
provisions on the definition of a small business
concern (SBC) and eligibility for SBIR competition has
generated a flurry of negative comment primarily from
affected small businesses and the VC community.
Representatives of these organizations are pushing to
change the rules so that businesses owned and/or
controlled by VC firms would be eligible for SBIR
competition.
Such a rule change would be damaging to the SBIR
Program, and harmful to the vast majority of SBIR
competitors. Allowing VC firms to own and/or control
SBIR eligible businesses is counter to the spirit of
the SBIR Program. As Gene Watson (Wyoming) has said,
once VCs assume ownership/control of a small business,
they should also assume responsibility for providing
necessary funding for it.
Channeling government funds (especially SBIR funds) to
businesses controlled by VCs would go counter to the
very concept of VCs - investing for profit in
promising new ventures. Such a practice would be
providing government welfare to the VC community at
the expense of legitimate small businesses.
Largely lost in the recent discussion on the subject
is the fact that VC firms CAN own a significant stake
in eligible SBCs. The only restriction is that it
owns 49% or less of the SBC, and does not control the
SBC through Board of Director positions.
Based on my information from SBA, it is anticipated
that a rule change will be in place soon that will
allow subsidiaries of SBIR eligible parents to
themselves be SBIR eligible. Under this new rule, a
VC firm that itself qualifies as an SBIR eligible SBC
(per the SBIR Policy Directive) could own a majority
and controlling interest in a subsidiary that would be
SBIR eligible (as long as the VC and the aggregates of
its affiliates do not exceed 500 employees.).
So, there are significant opportunities under the
present rules for VC firms to participate in ownership
of SBIR eligible small businesses.
The 29 Sep 2003 issue of Business Week magazine
carried an article on the VC industry entitled: "All
Cashed Up with No Place to Go - VCs have $84 billion
to invest and an aversion to risky startups." And VC
owned/controlled businesses want part of the "small"
(<$2 billion) SBIR Program??? We can't let it
happen!!!
Thanks for facilitating this discussion that is vital
to the long-term integrity of the SBIR Program!!!
Chris Busch
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10/16/03 18:48:54 |
Tim Grogan |
La Grange, KY Msg 4 of 99 |
This change would be in direct conflict with the
spirit of the SBIR (that's "SB" for SMALL BUSINESS)
program. I would like to see VC organizations change
business models to fit the current SBIR program
rather than change the SBIR program to fit the VC
model.
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10/17/03 19:48:30 |
Bernice Graven |
Cleveland, OH Msg 5 of 99 |
I vote NO on changing the rules.
Large VC organizations should not be allowed to
compete with other small businesses for SBIR funding.
If an exception is made for Biotechs and VCs, why stop
there?? Soon exceptions will be made for other large
concerns such as General Motors, Microsoft, and Archer
Daniels Midland!
If the article in Business Week is correct, and the
large VCs have over $80 billion dollars in uncommitted
funds, why aren't they committing some of that money
to the projects they claim can't be done without the
help of a $750,000 SBIR grant??? WHAT A SCAM. Wake up
Congress. Small Business is the name of the game in
SBIR.
Small businesses that are not owned by these large
wealthy concerns need access to SBIR funding much more
than any of those fat cats that are whining.
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10/17/03 07:12:31 |
Clyde Engert |
Towanda, KS Msg 6 of 99 |
In my opinion the rules for meeting the small business
entity to participate in the the SBIR program should
remain intact. If a VC wishes to invest in a small
business that has won an SBIR they are free to do so
without any legal changes. If the rule were changed
the VC's would be getting taxpayer money that does not
require payback while operating as a large entity and
this is totally unfair.
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10/17/03 08:00:04 |
Pat Dillon |
Minneapolis, MN Msg 7 of 99 |
The essence of the SBIR program is to support
innovation and the strong entrepreneurial spirit in our
nation. SBIR offers high tech companies much needed
government investment in cutting-edge research and
development projects, where no other investment
(venture capital) is available. To change the playing
field to allow venture capital firms with controlling
interest in small companies to compete in SBIR is not a
good use of the taxpayer's money. The majority of
small companies that compete and win in the SBIR
program are not venture capital capable. It is simply
not part of their business path. To change the SBIR
eligibility rules for the small biotech sector at the
detriment of the entire high tech economy is neither
prudent nor recommended. It�s just not the right thing
to do!
If venture capital backed firms desire to compete in
the SBIR program, they must change their ownership
structure to comply with the rules and regulations in
the SBIR program. It has been done!
Vote no!
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10/17/03 10:44:13 |
Name withheld by request |
Houston, TX Msg 8 of 99 |
I vote no to changing the rules to allow small
business controlled by VC organizations to compete
with other small businesses for SBIR funding. This
will make the playing field very unfair. We are
talking about giving businesses that are controlled by
VC organizations a 99% chance over any small business
that is not controlled by these organizations. If a
small business is controlled by VC organizations, they
not only have jumped ahead of the game with resources,
but the identity of the VC will help them if they need
additional capital to pay consultants to write grants
and get away with crafting the grant to look perfect.
I don't understand the logic from a VC perspective.
VC organizations exist to take risks and if they own
or support a small business, then they should continue
to fund that business or shut it down. VC
organizations should continue to fund efforts and let
small businesses that don't have the resources
(contacts, clout, credible vendor sources, etc...)
continue to pursue SBIR funding to get their
innovations in shape to approach VC organizations. I
think congress needs to review the vision of VC
organizations before making any decision towards this
rule. After a review, I think it will become apparent
that VC organizations are now trying to control more
government funding allocations and options, which is
the same thing that happened with the dotcom
shakedown. Too much focus on returns and not viable
products. I know alot of VCs and a lot about them and
they are in the business to make money and realize
that if they do lose on some businesses, that is part
of their risks. If this rule does pass I won't plan
on wasting my time submitting any more SBIR proposals
because I can't compete.
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10/17/03 13:13:30 |
Name withheld by request |
Medford, MA Msg 9 of 99 |
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10/17/03 13:21:09 |
Name withheld by request |
Ann Arbor, MI Msg 10 of 99 |
The definition of 'control' is unclear. Where one
signs that they are in 'compliance' on the grant
application is unclear; for example, with the NIH
format, one checks a box that they are a 'small
business' and signs on the face page stating that
they certify that "The statements herein are true,
complete and accurate to the best of my knowledge,
and accept the obligation to comply with Public
Health Services terms and conditions if a grant is
awarded as a results of this application." When a
grant is awarded, certain 'assurances' are filed (for
a first-time awardee). None of the 'assurances' ask
for a stock-holder's listing (private or public).
We encounter many scenarios in our SBIR training
programs, i.e.,
1. A small (2 person) consulting firm (co. A) owns
90% of an STTR winning company (co. B) - 10% equity
distributed to CSO. This changes the definition
of 'wholly' owned by another company that is owned
by 'individuals'. By distributing 10% equity to 'key
personnel', co. B is no longer eligible (even though
we're talking about a total of 3 owners and 2
employees.
2. Many small publicly held companies receive SBIR
grants. How does one determine 'equity ownership' on
the day of award? If board seats are held by VC's
who collectively own 'less' than 51% of the stock, is
the company 'controlled' by insitutions, even though
the stock is held by individuals (at least on that
particular day)?
3. If co. A is ineligible (for any reason - rational
or not), can they set up an 'arms-length' co. B with
equity ownership held by an 'individual', but with a
pre-arranged royalty-free license back to co. A for
technology developed in co. B?
Our best advise (until this administrative rule is
clarified) is to provide full disclosure if there is
any possibility that your company may be 'at risk'.
The worst mistake will be to ignore this at this
point in time. The second mistake one can make is to
be passive and not respond to the SBA if this rule
has a negative effect on your company.
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