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Please address your questions to: [email protected] .| Updated 05/22/04 | 99 messages |  
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01/14/04    12:54:23 | 
Richard Schlecht | 
San Jose, CA Msg 81 of 99 |  
What are VCs for but to provide funds for THEIR 
clients. Since they are the owners they do not fall 
into the purview or spirit of the act. This would 
just take limited funds away from a true small 
business. I see no difference between this case and a 
subsidiary. 
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01/20/04    12:37:07 | 
Dov Jacobson | 
Berkeley Lake, GA Msg 82 of 99 |  
| VC's who have the ability ($$) to lobby for this rule 
also have the ability to lobby for acceptance of their 
proposals.
 
Does anyone doubt that, like so many other government 
contracts, SBIRs will soon be awarded not on their 
merits alone but on the campaign contributions of the 
proposer? 
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01/25/04    06:51:21 | 
Carl Nelson | 
Washington, DC Msg 83 of 99 |  
Dov,  I doubt it.  I do have to defend the federal 
bureaucrats. Politics will NOT enter at the retail 
level in SBIR. For all my complaining about the 
agencies' ignoring an opportunity to foster real 
innovation by real innovators, I know of no situations 
where politics has affected an award selection. They 
fund their mediocrities for honest reasons. The 
selectors are mid-level technocrats with no loyalty to 
any polity or region. The awards are too small to 
attract graft even if you believe that VCs would 
traffic in such influence. Although there are a few 
instances of SBIR companies getting post-SBIR awards 
from earmarked appropriations, that does NOT affect 
the awards with SBIR money.  
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01/26/04    12:52:06 | 
Name withheld by request | 
Dallas, TX Msg 84 of 99 |  
R&D dollars are too scarce to be given to companies 
that already have funding. For the businesses without 
VC funding, SBIR/STTR represents one of the few 
avenues to fund innovative entrepreneurs.  
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02/02/04    14:26:19 | 
Michael Zeece | 
Lincoln, NE Msg 85 of 99 |  
Changing the rules to permit VC competition in phase I 
and II funding will alter the landscape of activity 
supported by this Federal funding opportunity. 
Presently, SBIR programs represent a unique 
opportunity for development of �academic� ideas into 
technological achievements.  Enabling VC to compete 
for federal funding will effectively limit the number 
of funded projects to those with the largest market 
potential. The net result will be stifled creativity, 
inhibited innovation and derailed development of more 
difficult, but promising technologies. This proposal 
is in direct contrast to the philosophy of SBIR 
programs.      
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02/03/04    16:19:36 | 
Name withheld by request | 
Chino, CA Msg 86 of 99 |  
NO. Furthermore, people are wearing rose-colored 
glasses in this forum by believing that SBIR provides 
a level playing field. A lot of SBIR's are directed 
through political deals and solely benefit one 
company and should never be awarded under taxpayer 
money. Most SBIR's are created on the behalf a small 
company that wants money and knows a sponsor. 
Allowing VC into the mix tilts this to the point 
where the VC companies will be those with the 
political connections in order to get more SBIR's 
written to their liking. 
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02/09/04    15:47:27 | 
Name withheld by request | 
Cambridge, MA Msg 87 of 99 |  
| No, a VC funded business already has funding, and does 
not need the help. If so they are being mismanaged and 
should be out of business. 
 
A small business with no VC money with few people 
needs all the help it can get! We are fighting big 
companies and VC funded start-ups, and hence the odds 
are stacked against us to begin with. 
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02/13/04    12:32:25 | 
David M. Gange | 
Pennington, NJ Msg 88 of 99 |  
The playing field is already tilted hugely in favor 
companies with VC funding.  They don't need taxpayer 
support as well. 
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02/19/04    10:34:04 | 
Mark Marchionni | 
Arlington, MA Msg 89 of 99 |  
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	I wish to submit the following comments on 
the SBIR eligibility requirements pertaining to 
company ownership by individuals.
 
	The SBIR program has made possible the growth 
and survival of emerging companies for decades.  In 
helping to create new jobs and advance innovative 
technology this program has been an essential part of 
growing and maintaining a vibrant and competitive 
economy in the United States.
 
 	The National Institutes of Health has 
administered an SBIR program for decades, and this 
source of funding has been instrumental to emerging 
companies in a growing biotechnology industry.  Many 
of these companies have been owned in part or were 
started by venture capital firms.  From my personal 
experience, I was one of the first scientific staff 
members to join Cambridge NeuroScience, Inc. (CNSI) 
in 1987, shortly after the company was started by the 
venture capital firm Warburg Pincus.  Prior to the 
initial public offering, Warburg retained majority 
ownership of CNSI and we submitted and were funded 
for more than 10 NIH SBIR grants (5 Phase I and 5 
Phase 2).  I was the Principal Investigator on two 
such grants.  These funds were critical in creating 
the jobs to grow the company from 18 (when I joined) 
to more than 60 at the time of the IPO.  By virtue of 
this SBIR support, several product candidates 
advanced into clinical trails or were partnered with 
major pharmaceutical companies as part of Phase III 
commercialization.  Thus, not only has it been 
accepted practice for the NIH SBIR program to support 
the growth of emerging biotechnology companies, but 
it has helped to accomplish the mission of the NIH 
and create new jobs as well.
 
	At the current time, I submit that the Small 
Business Administration and the NIH need to support 
the growth of new jobs in this essential economic 
sector�biotechnology.  Many have lost their jobs in 
the recent economic decline and tax revenues need to 
be spent wisely to stimulate job growth.  
Biotechnology represents a sector of the economy 
where the US has a clear competitive advantage, and 
provides an important opportunity to revitalize 
economic growth.  Further, a very sizeable percentage 
of all drugs produced in the past decade have been 
discovered at small companies.  Since companies that 
are controlled by venture capital firms often 
represent some of the more innovative and competitive 
start-ups, policies that support collaboration 
between these companies and government agencies would 
represent prudent and productive use of tax 
revenues.  It is these very companies that have the 
greatest chance of advancing their technology through 
to commercialization.  Therefore, I offer my very 
strong support for producing a wording of the 
eligibility requirements that would enable the NIH to 
include in the SBIR program emerging companies that 
are majority owned by venture capital firms.     
 
	Thank you for your support.
      
			Very truly,
 
			Mark A. Marchionni, Ph.D.
					President
 
 
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02/20/04    10:53:45 | 
Eugene Watson | 
Laramie, WY Msg 90 of 99 |  
Further to my earlier comments, I am pasting in below 
comments I have sent to Senator Enzi' staffer on the 
Senate Committee on Small Business and 
Entrepreneurship.
 I appreciate you responding to my concerns regarding 
VC participation in the SBIR and STTR programs - it 
helps me understand where this issue is focused. It 
is my view that, whether valid or not (and I don't 
concede that it is), the argument made by the VC's, 
that small businesses owned and controlled by them 
have a higher probability of successful 
commercialization than those small businesses lacking 
their huge financial resources, completly ignores the 
intent and purpose of the SBIR program. The program 
was devised to provide a means for small businesses 
lacking access to start-up capital to have the 
opportunity to compete for federal R&D funding. VC 
owned and controlled small businesses obviously were 
not, and are not, included in the original 
legislative intention. I fail to see the difference 
between applying the VC argument to the VC case and 
applying it to the case of IBM, GM, Intel, or any 
large commercial enterprise owning and controlling a 
small business and demanding SBIR eligibility? Of 
course, VC's (and all others) are now, and always 
have been, able to own a minority, non-controlling 
interest in SBIR eligible small businesses. And all 
VC owned and controlled businesses are eligible to 
compete for the 97.5% of the SBIR agency budgets that 
aren't set-aside for small businesses - why do they 
need to come after the other 2.5% and cut off those 
small businesses that don't have adequate capital? 
Seems greedy to me - and against the legislative 
intent and spirit of the SBIR program.
 
My opposition to this move to change the eligibility 
rules is primarily driven by my conviction that 
Wyoming small businesses will particularly suffer if 
this fatal breach in the integrity of the SBIR/STTR 
programs occurs and VC's are allowed to own and 
control SBIR-eligible small businesses.  In my 
opinion, if the SBIR eligibility rules are altered to 
allow VC participation, the SBIR program as we know 
it will disappear and ALL Wyoming small businesses 
will eventually be crowded out of the competition 
since NONE of our small businesses have attracted VC 
participation nor is it likely that any will, at 
least in the near future. Without adequate financial 
resources, our small businesses will be unable to 
compete with those states in which the VC's are 
concentrated. And the SBIR program is a zero sum 
process - any grant going elsewhere is one less grant 
coming to Wyoming. 
 
But aside from our parochial Wyoming interests, my 
concerns also extend to preserving the integrity of 
the program for the benefit of all of the country's 
small businesses who are, after all, the primary 
engine of new job creation and economic growth. 
 
If you haven't already done so, I urge you to go to 
the following websites and carefully follow the 
discussion on this issue. 
 
www.zyn.com/sbir/articles/bnews-vc2-S.htm 
www.zyn.com/sbir
/articles/vc/ 
   
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