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11/11/03 13:03:16 |
Name withheld by request |
Murfreesboro, TN Msg 51 of 99 |
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11/11/03 16:58:10 |
Jerome Soller, Ph.D. |
Salt Lake City, UT Msg 52 of 99 |
My Utah small business was distressed to learn that
there is a possible amendment to pending SBA
reauthorization legislation that would allow Venture
Capital (VC) organizations the right to majority
ownership of a small business obtaining SBIR funding.
We are even more distressed to learn that this effort
may be supported by some of Utah�s congressional
representatives. Over the last four years, my small
business has utilized the SBIR program to create new
jobs in Utah, at a time when the short-term objectives
of VC investment led to countless technology-related
layoffs in the State of Utah. We view this bill as a
direct threat to the future success of our company�s
ability to continue the creation of new jobs in the
State of Utah.
While large corporations and VC-owned companies have a
tremendous advantage in pursuing large federal
contracts, the SBIR program was designed to create a
level playing field for which small businesses might
compete with large corporations. Letting VC backed
companies have access to SBIR funding would undermine
the spirit of the SBIR program. This amendment would
create a loophole allowing large corporations, under
the alias of a small company, to infiltrate and gain
advantage in an atmosphere that was created to give the
advantage to the �legitimate� small business. For
example, VC-owned small businesses have access to both
financial and human resources, including dedicated
grant-writing and marketing personnel, resulting in an
advantage over true small businesses.
The SBIR program provides funding for early stages of
technology development, without requiring that the
small business give up ownership or commercialization
rights. It attracts innovators that might not
otherwise have the opportunity to develop their ideas
and inventions. While our economy is dominated by
corporate leaders, it is a widely accepted belief that
much of what is innovative does not come from these
entities, but instead from small businesses that are
the embodiment of entrepreneurship in our country.
We ask for the support of Utah�s congressional
representatives to vote against this or any similar
bills that hurt true, innovative small businesses.
Jerome Soller, Ph.D.
President, CogniTech Corporation
Salt Lake City, Utah
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11/12/03 19:17:03 |
Robert E. Ratcliff Jr. |
Burns, WY Msg 53 of 99 |
Most if not all companies that have been involved with
the SBIR/STTR program got their start or a boost from
said programs. If VC and Bio Tec companies are allowed
to enter with out the stipulations that have already
been established, the spirit and purpose of the
SBIR/STTR will in effect be unattainable for
the "Small Buisness".
The advantage of being able to lobby because of SIZE
and FINICIAL capability is all too evident. Where did
the inititive to "change or challenge" what is in
place now??? You can be assured it wasn't from a
Qualified Buisness!!!
There have been many companies to use the Program
effectively that are in compliance with the standards
established. Even with the established standards small
companies 100 or less employees, have a difficult time
because of capitol constrants.
To allow a change now, would undermine a very
successful history and dampen, if not smother
the "little" guy.
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11/13/03 08:03:35 |
Name withheld by request |
Richmond, VA Msg 54 of 99 |
The SBIR's are already dominated by the larger
"small businesses" of well over 100 employees with
professional grant writering staffs and large budgets
for grant preparation. Those small companies that the
SBIR is actually intented to help are lost in this
shuffle of "Beltway Bandits". The venture capital (VC)
firms should be funding new technology, not grant
writing to SBIR for corporate welfare. The SBIR should
be helping to bootstrap small companies to the point
where they are of interest to the VC firms.
In addition, by forcing VC firms to own less than
50% of the small businesses they finance, the owners
and founders of these businesses will be able to
maintain a controlling interest, rather than ceding it
to the large VC firms, again supporting the role of the
SBA.
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11/13/03 08:18:23 |
Jay Altman |
Afton, VA Msg 55 of 99 |
It would be grossly unfair to allow Large VC
controlled organizations to compete for or obtain in
any way SBIR funding. There are those of us who have
been refused VC funding because "the opportunity isn't
great enough for our investment" who still have very
useful and viable products to develop and market.
SBIR funding is one of the few opportunities we have
to get help. If the big VC firms refuse to help us,
why should they be allowed to qualify for funds
specifically targeted for us. The big VC firms HAVE
the money. They should not be entitled to government
assistance at either the taxpayers' or other small
businesses' expense!
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11/17/03 17:31:08 |
Jose Reyes |
Newtown, PA Msg 56 of 99 |
Venture capital firms expect, indeed command, very
large returns on capital they invest. It is not
unusal for venture capital firms to seek 30-60% return
on their capital. This far exceeds returns typically
found on other forms of capital such as debt capital
where returns may be 7% to 20%.
The reason the
venture capitalists can command high returns is
because the projects they invest in are riskier than
those typically funded by debt capitalists such as
banks or family members. The equity that a venture
capitalist takes from a company, e.g. from the
entrepreneur's side, often leads to the venture
capitalist owning majority control in the firm.
Again, this is because of the very high returns
venture capitalists demand.
Now, relative to SBIR,
venture capitalists are seeking to change the current
requirements for the firms which they own majority
control in so they may participate in SBIR prgrams. I
strongly disagree with their objective. The federal
government funds SBIR for those companies owned by at
least 51% by an individual. This is one way which our
government tries to enable small business owners to
grow without allowing larger firms to control the
small business.
It is a fact that small businesses
are the dominant entity in creating jobs in America's
economy. Letting venture capitalists and larger firms
control all major funding sources will surely lead to
conditions where job growth will compete against
preserving the venture capitalists high expected
returns. SBIR funds represent capital that is risk
free. In other words, when the government makes an
SBIR award, it does not seek equity in the small
business nor does it demand a certain return on the
invested capital.
What the venture capitalists are
trying to do,is access a line of risk free capital and
not have to pay anything for it from their side. They
have already made their investments in the enterprise
to the point where (in this case under review) it has
amounted to over 51%. Given that they have taken that
much equity from the entrepeneur, the venture
capitalist should be willing to increase the
investment from "their own resources" since they
essentially "own the firm".
What is being sought here
by the venture capitalists is sort of like arbitrage,
that is risk free capital. I believe that allowing
firms with venture owned control of greater than 51%
to participate in SBIR programs would be a major step
backward for the small businesses of America.
If a
venture firm takes 51% or more ownership in a small
business, then it is their firm and they should tap
their significant resources to continue to
grow "their" firm. Leave the SBIR funds for those
firms where the entrepreneur still has control. Why
didn't the venture firm just take 49% and avoid all of
this? Answer - because their demands for expected
returns are unusually large. It goes back to basic
investing risk and reward. The venture firms sought
the big reward at a big risk. Now let's not let them
get risk free capital.
I'm OK with a venture backed
firm participating in SBIR if the entrepreneur owns
51% or more. If the venture capitalist owns 51% or
more they should dig deeper into their pockets, go for
ATP funding, BAA's, or do what I did and millions of
other entrepreneurs have done for capital - remortgage
their homes to raise money. After all, if you own the
company, then you should be willing to risk your
PERSONAL funds too.
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11/19/03 08:24:24 |
Name withheld by request |
Fort Worth, TX Msg 57 of 99 |
Having small buisness owned by large VCs compete with
small companies defeats the purpose of having a
portion of funding set aside for SBAs
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11/19/03 08:51:58 |
Name withheld by request |
Fort Worth, TX Msg 58 of 99 |
I believe changing the rules would go against the
very thing the SBIR program was created for. Small
Business should not have to compete with large, well
funded VC in order to obtain initial funding for
development. If the rules were changed then Small
Business would not be able to acquire the initial
funding for research and product development thereby
preventing good ideas and innovations from ever being
brought to the public.
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11/20/03 04:21:41 |
Name withheld by request |
Christiansburg, VA Msg 59 of 99 |
Firms with VC controlling ownership should not be
competing for SBIR dollars to begin with. It is hard
enough for startup companies to survive until the
technology matures sufficiently to attract VC
partnerships. SBIR is one of the main avenues for
funding these startups prior to VC investment. Any
change to the current rules will weaken the support for
the intended beneficiaries of the plan...the small
businesses. SBIR/STTR consultant
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11/23/03 06:14:36 |
Name withheld by request |
Philadelphia, PA Msg 60 of 99 |
A significant objective of the SBIR program is to
support risky technology innovation by small
businesses that would otherwise not be able to fund
such development. Recipients of signficant VC
capital, by definition, do not need this type of
support. The rule changes being sought, from what I
have read, are also addressed at foreign ownership.
This raises other issues, that are likely to give the
program a black eye, for which we will all suffer.
The SBIR review process cannot possible begin
exploring the ownership structures of every company
that applies. Keep it simple. Leave the rules the
way they are.
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