SBIR Gateway VC Discussion Group (Archived May 2004)
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Please address your questions to: [email protected] .Updated 05/22/04 | 99 messages |
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10/17/03 13:50:07 |
Brigitte Van der Haegen |
Tucson, AZ Msg 11 of 99 |
I vote NO to any changes. If VC's have money to invest
in a small business they should also have enough funds
to invest in the business R&D! To use government funds
to supplement their investment is plain ridiculous.
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10/17/03 14:44:31 |
John Cole |
Issaquah, WA Msg 12 of 99 |
Arguments Against Allowing VC-owned Firms into SBIR
Program
First, the SBIR program is poorly matched to the
goals of VC-funded firms. VCs are interested in
growing rapidly and "cashing out" as soon a possible.
The three year schedule for SBIR projects is far too
slow for VCs, and VCs prefer the shoot the "walking
wounded" that are not highly successful instead of
nurturing them to a moderate success, as we all saw in
the last technology bubble. Our company would be dead
if we had been VC funded because of the time required
to develop our products; with patience, now we are a
world-class supplier of accelerometers for industrial
and military products. It is likely that only the
highly successful SBIR projects meeting VC success
criteria would create continuing US jobs.
Second, I believe that VCs would be motivated to
set up companies to act as SBIR "proposal mills", with
the sole objective of acquiring SBIR contracts without
any intention to produce products. The work would be
used only to develop, evaluate and patent technology
using government funding without any follow-on. Such
work has the same commercialization gap present in
university research, a gap the SBIR program was
originally created to close. Some companies exploited
this strategy successfully in the 1980s, and in the
early 1990s Congress required Phase III success
reports on previous Phase II efforts to be included
with subsequent proposals so that this strategy was
easily identified.
And third, the megabucks available to VCs would
allow them to "buy into" SBIR contracts unfairly, so
that the competition would be between small,
individually owned companies and VC-owned small
companies with the capital of a large company. Such
unequal competition is the reason that Congress set up
small-business "set-asides". VCs are essentially
small-business conglomerates and do not have the same
limited resources as independent small businesses.
I believe that the successful SBIR program will
be subverted if VCs are allowed to own companies that
compete in it.
John Cole, President
Silicon Designs, Inc.
[email protected]
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10/17/03 17:05:13 |
Robert M. Pearson |
Medford, OR Msg 13 of 99 |
Having successfully competed for SBIR awards I know
how difficult it is for an individual or very small
company (less than 5 people) to win an award under the
present system. Only a small fraction of present
proposals are funded. If this change is adopted it
will all but eliminate the individual and very small
company from the SBIR process.
Any company with 500 employees is not small and should
have ample resources to compete. If anything
eligibility size in SBIR awards should be reduced not
increased. In my opinion VC companies and venture
capitalists in general are universally greedy they do
not need access to one of the only sources of capital
available to a hard working scientist of engineer who
happens to have a good idea and can successfully
compete under the present SBIR eligibility rules.
Venture capitalists have ample opportunity to enter
into the process during Phases II and III of the SBIR
process under certain rules which should not be
relaxed, but changed in a manner that will help the
individual award holder.
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10/17/03 17:40:51 |
Name withheld by request |
Seattle, WA Msg 14 of 99 |
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10/17/03 20:06:03 |
Lawrence C. Farrar |
Butte, MT Msg 15 of 99 |
NO ON THE RULE CHANGE
The SBIR program is an enabling force in the
development of new technologies and fosters
competition among the best small technology businesses
in America. The SBIR program is a valuable asset to
job creation and is an investment in our future. The
recent attack by the Venture Capital institutions is
threat to this program and, if the Venture Capital
community is allowed to prevail, it will undermine the
foundations of this valuable and successful program.
The SBIR program intent is to provide entrepreneurs
with capital to pursuer high-risk, high-payoff
concepts, and make available the resources to assist
in the development of these concepts into new
technologies and businesses. Venture Capitalists have
their own venue to develop funding for promising
technology businesses, both large and small.
The funding process and, generally speaking, the
business model for SBIR companies differs
substantially from the Venture Capital model. It is
essential that we insure that the SBIR program does
not just simply become another source of money for
Venture Capitalists. The SBIR program is just too
valuable of a national resource to be consumed by the
voracious appetite of the Venture Capital community.
Take action to defeat this effort!!!
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10/18/03 10:05:32 |
Philip Schaefer |
Weaverville, NC Msg 16 of 99 |
From what I can see, I must agree with what most other
small business owners say about this issue. Clearly,
it opens the door for abuse of the SBIR process and
could easily drive out of business many small,
innovative companies without such private funding.
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10/18/03 10:42:49 |
Scott Thacher |
San Diego, CA Msg 17 of 99 |
Some questions. I am still thinking.
1. Does the size of the institutional investor make a
difference? A seed fund may be very small, and very
important to development of small companies which also
utilize SBIR funds.
2. What percentage of SBIR grants actually does go to
companies with more than 50% ownership by VC funds. Is
this therefore a serious problem for the small company
(like ours)?
3. What would this provision do, if anything, to
companies with ongoing SBIR funding (like us) who plan
to seek venture capital? Would this discourage venture
investors from getting involved?
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10/18/03 21:17:35 |
Name withheld by request |
Santa Fe, NM Msg 18 of 99 |
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10/19/03 10:49:15 |
Name withheld by request |
NorthHuntingdon, PA Msg 19 of 99 |
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10/19/03 20:15:12 |
Hong Ming Chen |
San Marino, CA Msg 20 of 99 |
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