SBIR Gateway VC Discussion Group (Archived May 2004)
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Please address your questions to: [email protected] .Updated 05/22/04 | 99 messages |
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10/20/03 05:43:45 |
Name withheld by request |
Durham, NC Msg 21 of 99 |
I don't think the VC firms should be allowed an
exemption. This goes against the initial goal of SBIR
Funding. This would allow larger companies to steal
benefits that were set aside for small businesses.
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10/20/03 07:43:31 |
Benjamin Moll |
Saint Charles, MO Msg 22 of 99 |
The proposed rule change would subvert the intention
of providing support for small business. It would be a
minor matter to structure any research effort as the
wholly owned subsidiary of a large corporation. A
possible compormise would be to allow people to own
less than 51% if the other owner was a VC.
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10/20/03 09:02:31 |
Name withheld by request |
RTP, NC Msg 23 of 99 |
The purpose of the SBIR program is to promote the translation of
novel technologies to products. This can be a very capital
intensive effort, particularly in the biotechnology sector. As an
early stage biopharma company, we receive money from multiple
sources to further our business plan. In the short run, these
sources include seed/early stage VCs and SBIR awards. As product
development advances, we may wish to recruit money from larger
VC groups with deeper pockets to faciliate expansion of our
efforts and continued drug development.
Excluding sources of large amounts of capital who bring to the
table additional expertise and contacts seems contrary to the
goals of the SBIR program which is to facilitate product
commercialization. The threat of competition to small companies
seems minor. Well-capitalized companies don't want their
employees spending the hours needed to write a competitive SBIR.
Similarly, VC groups that can write $10-20 million dollar checks
don't want key personnel directing their effort to funding sources
that can contribute less than $1 million versus their R&D
responsibilities. Why not let the larger VC firms participate, then if
a small SBIR funded company has the opportunity to receive
money from such a VC, the companies past SBIR success is not a
hurdle to receiving the investment.
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10/20/03 09:26:05 |
Virginia Williams |
Durham, NC Msg 24 of 99 |
As someone associated with a very small business, we
are forced to stretch our resources to the hilt, and
to sometimes substitute extra effort for extra money.
I fear we would have a great deal of difficulty
competing for an SBIR with companies that were much
more generously financed.
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10/20/03 17:02:52 |
Name withheld by request |
, IN Msg 25 of 99 |
It is a hollow argument to say that VC involvement
adds any value to the SBIR process. The vast amounts
of VC money are comprised of "Other Peoples Money".
The sole purpose of VC funds is to build the fund
value for those �Other People�. VC funds are not
feasible technology transfer instruments that
efficiently provide business and commercializing
expertise at the point of most need. VC funds and
entrepreneurs are not interested in creating jobs, or
the advancement of a technology for the same
reasons. The bottom-line for VC funds is �the bottom-
line� and �risk mitigation�. In short they are not
interested in taking the inherent risks of cutting
edge technology without unduly levering the assets
and Intellectual Property (IP) of the real risk
takers/entrepreneurs. VC involvement may have a more
legitimate role in Phase III when the value of a VC
capital infusion can be evaluated on a level playing
field for all parties. I believe that this change
would disincentives the creative idea pool as it
currently exists.
This change would drive the Small Business out of
Small Business Innovative Research, and likely
replace it with litigation. The SBIR process is
competitive enough without this change.
Vote No
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10/22/03 14:38:51 |
Cody Benkelman |
Whitefish, MT Msg 26 of 99 |
sent to Max Baucus and Conrad Burns, Montana Senators:
The subject of my email to you regards current efforts
underway to redefine eligibility rules for companies
participating in SBIR and STTR programs. As I
understand it, Venture Capital firms are lobbying
congress and/or the SBA to allow companies owned by
VCs ("owned" being greater than 51% ownership) to
participate in the SBIR/STTR programs, which provides
seed capital for companies completing research of
value to Federal agencies.
I would like to express my opposition to this change,
for the very simple reason that the SBIR program is
intended to provide much needed funding to small
companies that have no other access to development
capital. You know us at Positive Systems, and
development capital has *always* been one of our key
challenges. From my perspective, this is a rather
simple issue. If a company has developed to the point
of securing VC funding, their product development
efforts must be relatively well developed. If not,
there must be another reason the VC feels the company
is a "good bet", but in any case the VC has accepted
the role of providing that development funding.
Among other issues, if a company is owned up to 49% by
a VC, it *can* still participate in the SBIR program.
If the VC has taken a position of *majority* ownership
in a company, they should be willing to remain
committed to providing the development funding needed.
Please leave the SBIR program as is, to focus on
providing funding to those companies that truly NEED
it.
Sincerely,
Cody A. Benkelman
Principal Engineer and co-founder
Positive Systems, Inc.
223 Baker Ave.
Whitefish MT 59937
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10/23/03 09:45:44 |
Name withheld by request |
, GA Msg 27 of 99 |
Our company�s research and development efforts were
funded in part by National Institutes of Health SBIR
grants, and our drug delivery system is presently in
clinical trials and approaching commercialization.
In November 2002, the company closed its Series B
equity financing of $17 million allowing it to create
20 additional jobs, increasing the company�s size to
45 employees. In return for the VC investment more
than 51% of equity is now held by three VC funds.
Prior to November 2002 we submitted and were funded
four NIH SBIR grants (three Phase I and one Phase
2). These grants were critical in creating the jobs
to grow the company from 5 to more than 20, and to
attract VC financing in November 2002 which added
another 20 positions to the company�s payroll. By
virtue of this SBIR support, several product
candidates advanced into clinical trails or were
partnered with major pharmaceutical companies. Thus,
not only has it been accepted practice for the NIH
SBIR program to support the growth of emerging
biotechnology companies, but it has helped to
accomplish the mission of the NIH and create new jobs
as well.
Our operating plan for 2003�2005 calls for continued
SBIR/STTR funding by NIH to support high-risk, early
stage research and development work. Under the
current, restrictive eligibility interpretation as
put forth by NIH and SBA our company is disallowed
from receiving new SBIR/STTR awards. The absence of
external funding will have a deleterious effect on
our research and product portfolio as even a well-
funded company like ours is unable to shoulder these
R&D costs.
To take the SBIR source of capital away, because
investor money taints the pool, so to speak, is
punitive at least and destructive to new business
development in reality.
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10/23/03 16:58:24 |
Rand Swanson |
Bozeman, MT Msg 28 of 99 |
Sixth grade sports teams would be greatly improved by
allowing high school aged players on their team because
they typically have more developed skills. The reason
high school players are not allowed on 6th grade teams
is obvious -- it might lead to a higher level of sports
for a while, but it would ultimately destroy the
atmosphere needed for young players to develop and
therefore be disastrous for sports in the long term.
The argument that VC controlled firms would do a better
job of serving research and development due to their
access to capital seems similar to arguing for letting
high school players on 6th grade teams. The added
resources of VC controlled firms would likely lead to
good research - at least for a while (the same could be
argued for General Electric for that matter), but it
would also ultimately make the SBIR program
inaccessible to start-up companies who do not have the
resources to effectively compete. The long-term
consequence of this would be fewer start-ups, decreased
entrepreneurial spirit, and a great weakening of the
economic engine provided by small businesses. Please do
not let this happen.
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10/24/03 19:56:02 |
Carl Nelson |
Washington, DC Msg 29 of 99 |
What an interesting question: Should real money be
allowed to help small companies with innovative and
market-changing ideas get and exploit SBIR?
The question is moot because the government has for
two decades showed that it cares little for the kinds
of companies and ideas that VCs would invest in
anyway. The federal bureaucrats are the small
company�s best protection against any invasion by real
money with real profit motives. The agencies endlessly
choose minor impact projects that have no appeal to VC
money.
IF the government had half a venture brain it would
fund projects that are too technically risky for VCs
but would be attractive if the risk were reduced with
a small government investment. That way SBIR would
soon start producing the economic gains that the
politicians pretend they want but let the bureaus
divert the SBIR money away from. SDIO/BMDO (now MDA)
did that for more than a decade) although it has
recently fallen into the same contract R&D hole the
other agencies have been in since the beginning.
Let some competition be introduced into SBIR for
economically attractive new ideas. The government
agencies could also stand a boot in the most helpful
place to get them to take more risks with SBIR and
reach farther in their project selection. Playing safe
is a sure recipe for mediocrity.
Find a way to get venture money in without letting
corporate bureaucracy merely replace or reinforce
government bureaucracy. It would do no good to devise
rules that let Lockheed Martin or Raytheon, for
example, conspire with federal bureaucrats to divert
SBIR into minor developments of military hardware.
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10/24/03 20:24:49 |
Ann Eskesen |
Swampscott, MA Msg 30 of 99 |
As you well know, I opted not to get involved in this
latest furor in any serious way. The six-week long
marathon of the DOD situation earlier this year really
sapped our available resources. However, at the
request of various people who knew that we had the
data, we had recently already made available a
preliminary analysis of that data and had provided
that to various elected officials, reporters, some
agency personnel and also to some of the people who
are (were?) taking the strong position in favor of the
proposed change.
Basically, we were arguing - as the data showed
clearly - that, aside from obvious over-stated
suggestions of what terrible things would happen if
the rules are not changed, the numbers involved are
trivial. Of the over 2500 firms which have been in
receipt of SBIR funding in NIH since 1998 (what we
call currently active) only about 80 have been in
receipt of Venture Capital.
We can document how much money that involves but do
not know how the deal was structured. However, based
on the numbers we do have and a fair amount of
experience in the field, we can estimate (fairly
accurately) that the proposed rule change perhaps
involves 15-20 firms - hardly enough to warrant a
major shift in how SBIR is managed.
Setting aside the current arguments concerning how
important VC support of capital hungry biotech firms
is in this period of limited access to other equity -
which actually IS an important issue - the main
proponent's position for changing size standards is
now being supported by a chart based on a telephone
survey of ten leading VC biotech support firms.
Remarkable for its inadequacy!
We took that chart, which identifies those ten
firms interviewed, and cross checked the data provided
against our own current (to yesterday) fully complete
and entirely accurate SBIR-STTR databases. As you
know, this data includes, among lots of other business
factors (issued patent - US and international;
publicly traded; M&A activity; strategic alliances
etc etc), the major percentage of VC activity in the
SBIR community. For some of the early years, that
data may be a little sketchy but for the passed five-
six years it is about as accurate and complete as it
can be.
To be on the safe side - in case we had missed a
firm here and there - we also visited the websites of
each of the ten firms to cross-check their portfolio
listings against our data, and finally, we even ran
the names of all their investment firms through CRISP
just in case these firms had NIH funds other than SBIR
or STTR.
The results are not at all supportive of the BIO
position in that the data they are using
is seriously inaccurate.
- Many firms they did not identify were actually
awardees;
- Many they suggested were there, were not -- and in
very large increments.
- Additionally, because of the standard procedure of
syndicating deals, many firms are double, triple and
even quadruple reported. The actual number of
SBIR involved is about third of those listed.
It doesn't help their case that many of the firms
which they do list correctly as having been awardees,
are long since outgrown the program and have not
received SBIR-STTR funding in many years.
The numbers simply do not support
the VC-BIO-NVCA position and they must be prevented
from achieving this change.
Far more telling than any position they are taking
specific to this issue is the fact that if we do allow
this to happen, it will be the thin end of what I
would suggest is a very thick wedge. What other
exception do we allow next?
As one of the original SBIR players - with a very
few others, we worked back in the late seventies and
early eighties for passage of the original SBIR
enabling legislation; I was right there for the 1986
reauthorization and the 1992 and was on the front line
of almost every battle involving SBIR ever since,
including the most recent DOD debacle earlier this
year - we have stood steadfast throughout for a number
of things
- technical excellence as the ONLY criterion of
selection for award
- bipartisan support of this very important national
resource
- complete integrity in the conduct of the program.
Stick to the rules and you will have my complete
support; bend the rules to your own advantage -
whatever that is - and I will fight .... and we
haven't lost a battle for this program yet!
Ann Eskesen
Innovation Development Institute
45 Beach Bluff Avenue Suite 300
Swampscott, MA 01907-1542
Voice: (781) 595-2920
Fax: (781) 593-4660
Email: ann.eskesen@
inknowvation.com
Web: http://www.inknowva
tion.com
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